Recites "Occasionally", "Of this ungrateful unity". Topics include: Creeley in Freiburg in 1952; William Carlos Williams; poetry is selection of garbage in certain ways; wretched world - life styles; poem about woman upstairs; explanation of "fades away"; suppression of syntax, Japanese techniques; Eigner used techniques unconsciously which he has since learned about; poetry is immediacy enforced without loss of energy, therefore often obscure; Saul Bellow; Olso; Pound; Eigner previously mathematical, not playful; The Subversive Science; old ambition of well-polished poem.